because the senate had public hearings and john dean had testified at those hearings and said i told the president there was a cancer on the presidency. i told the president that hush money was being paid to the burglars. partners were being offered to the burglars, and the president said where i know the money can be gotten, and he didn t have any objection to the panders. and the president said, i never said that. when the special prosecutor so you had the president on one hand, dean on the other hand. when the special prosecutor was trying to get the tapes, everybody in the country understood what the significance of the tapes was. they were going to prove whether dean or the president was telling the truth. here we don t have that educational background and that s what s vital. i do think the special counsel prosecutor, while he plays an important role, doesn t preclude congress from acting now. we don t have to wait for the
tonight, president trump announced on twitter he will make an announcement tomorrow afternoon at 3:00 p.m. about the longest government shutdown in history. the shutdown that he promised to start and take full blame for. he made good on half of that promise. he did start the shutdown. but then he blamed the people he promised not to blame, congressional democrats. but a senior administration official told cbs news that, quote, trump will present what the white house believes could be a deal to end the shutdown. the deal was largely influenced by talks between vice president mike pence, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and trump s son-in-law and senior adviser, jared kushner, who is not the speaker of the house. joy reid and david corn are back with us. and joy, this is the most mysterious deal i ve ever heard of. three republicans get together in a room. what s the deal? whatever it is, it s not a deal. yeah. because if you go to capitol hill to make a deal, you have
elizabeth drew, david corn, thank you for joining us on that part of our discussion. and when we come back, tomorrow s breaking news. tomorrow s breaking news. we re going to cover it tonight. president trump has announced he s going to make an important announcement about the shutdown tomorrow from the white house at 3:00 p.m. joy reid will be covering that announcement live for msnbc right here. and she will join us to discuss the big news of tomorrow. i ll offer my wild guess about what donald trump just might announce tomorrow. announce tomorrow. carla is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she s also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women with hormone receptor-positive her2- metastatic breast cancer as the first hormonal based therapy.
mimi roker, msnbc legal contributor. and ken delaney, i know you ve been doing some of your original reporting on this story on what might or might not be being disputed by robert mueller s office. what can we make of that at this stage? well, lawrence, it s more of an analysis. my take on the statement, which is very specific, is that they are disputing the part of the story that asserts that the special counsel gathered texts, e-mails and interviews with members of the trump organization that corroborated michael cohen s statement that trump told a lie. in fact, the sequence was, mueller got that first and then went to cohen and cohen acknowledged that, yes, trump told a lie. that appears to be what mueller is specifically disputing. he is not commenting, and certainly not disputing, the notion that michael cohen s story is that trump told a lie.
of course, they don t want to ruin or, you know, harm the investigation. but there is no there s no logical reason why hearings couldn t be held. and under the constitution, that is what impeachment is. it isn t throwing donald trump out of office. it s allowing hearings where the public can start to understand the narrative of what was done, potentially to our election, to elect donald trump and what he did while in office. yeah, and as we re going to discuss later in the show, that s the way it worked in the nixon situation. congress was moving at the same speed, basically, as the special prosecutor. mimi, some fascinating elapsed times here in this case. yesterday buzzfeed reports that five hours went by five hours of silence from the white house after they disclosed their reporting to the white house, and they re asking for comment from the white house. and the white house does not say a word. donald trump had knew what buzzfeed was going to write for five hours. he didn t