will because obviously these are difficult issues that we were talking about. everybody in the room essentially had the same perspective. had you a house democratic who is who. members of the congressional black caucus and three panelists all ideologically the same as the members of congress they were talking to and so, had you kind of an echo chamber effect and before the house goes out for five weeks of recess back home, they are able to go home to their constituents and say we took up the matter, we held a hearing, we understand, we re on the case, bill. bill: all right. but whats watt echo? what is was the theme? what was the point they were trying to get across? i was struck by the idea that a number of people in there said that racism in this country is getting worse and after the first african-american president had been inaugurated for his second term, i think a lot of americans would like to believe we are further along than that. yet, more from the southern poverty law ce
so, it becomes very personal in that regard. you have got to make a distinction between two sets of issues. the one on principle with the idea of intervention, the national security state, what the nsa ought to be allowed to do and what not to do, how to use the drones. that is a significant issue. that s a matter of principle. there are divisions. i do think it s exaggerated because it s much more a matter of degree. it isn t a matter of black or white. the other issue, the one you are talking about now, i think is a ginned up issue for this reason. it s not about tactics. it s not about what you think about obama care. the tactics that these brave people are telling us we is a to do is jump off a cliff so we can show our manhood. unless you believe that you are ready to shut down the government. unless you are ready to deliver on the threat, you don t go near there: we know that every time
the picnic. one drag in the mud and clean themselves up and drink wine and have a joely time. there is nothing new here. we have had a debate between the internationalists and isolationists among conservatives for about a century. it wasn t until pearl harbor that conservatives were internationalists they were isolationists. after the second world war it took a while before they signed on to the cold war and that s what was the glue that held the coalition on the right together. anti-communism. you would have expected the break-up to happen in the 90 s. but, actually, it was delayed because of 9/11. there was a new enemy. the troops were rallied. the real split is beginning to happen now as the memory of 9/11 fades. and as the eminence of the threat is felt to be far less. so this was to be expected. it was only a matter of
the picnic. one drag in the mud and clean themselves up and drink wine and have a joely time. there is nothing new here. we have had a debate between the internationalists and isolationists among conservatives for about a century. it wasn t until pearl harbor that conservatives were internationalists they were isolationists. after the second world war it took a while before they signed on to the cold war and that s what was the glue that held the coalition on the right together. anti-communism. you would have expected the break-up to happen in the 90 s. but, actually, it was delayed because of 9/11. there was a new enemy. the troops were rallied. the real split is beginning to happen now as the memory of 9/11 fades. and as the eminence of the threat is felt to be far less. so this was to be expected. it was only a matter of
will because obviously these are difficult issues that we were talking about. everybody in the room essentially had the same perspective. had you a house democratic who is who. members of the congressional black caucus and three panelists all ideologically the same as the members of congress they were talking to and so, had you kind of an echo chamber effect and before the house goes out for five weeks of recess back home, they are able to go home to their constituents and say we took up the matter, we held a hearing, we understand, we re on the case, bill. bill: all right. but whats watt echo? what is was the theme? what was the point they were trying to get across? i was struck by the idea that a number of people in there said that racism in this country is getting worse and after the first african-american president had been inaugurated for his second term, i think a lot of americans would like to believe we are further along than that. yet, more from the southern poverty law ce