themselves into motivations. you used the word idealogue. if the president isn t an idealogue, what in him wanted to hand over that part of, okay, you tell me how we should do this and what part of bannon wanted to hitch his wagon to donald trump? i don t think it was bannon telling trump what to do. i think bannon flattered trump. he recognized that trump has these populist impulses and said you re not a clown. you re not a punk line. i have this whole intellectual infrastructure. he used to tell trump that trump was part of this global uprising. it fed trump s ego. you can see that in the anecdotes in the book about how trump fed on bannon s input the same way a boxer feeds on the pep talk he gets from the corner man in the ring. that worked to brilliant effect in the campaign. it hand worked as well in the white house. but bannon is a guy who understands or understood how to connect with trump. there s a point in the book where you touch on donald