vice preside joe biden or his son. why did you think either of those activities is problematic? sondland answered i believe i testified it would be improoper to do that. illegal? the question, i m not a lawyer but i assume so. the question goes on, sir, one last question. do you believe with regard to burisma the effort by giuliani to investigate burisma was an impomper inquiry. answer i think i testified it would be improper. illegal, correct? again, he says i m not a lawyer i don t know the law exactly. it doesn t sound good. even here, one of the president s, his own appointee, someone who was in charge of diplomatic relations in the european union raising concerns about this effort to deal with, push for these investigations at a key time in relations with this country and as aid was
public anti-corruption statement we had been discussing for many weeks. sondland now confirming his involvement in laying out a quid pro quo scenario to ukrainian officials something he didn t acknowledge during his testimony on october 17 ng when he told investigators he didn t know why military aid was being held up saying i could never get a straight answer out of anyone. the transcripts released today said sondland told lawmakers that rudy giuliani s efforts to get ukraine to launch an investigation into the bidens kept getting more insidious and sugt suggested the scheme may have been illegal. i m not a lawyer but i assume so. i don t know the law exactly. it doesn t sound good. that is illegal. you cannot solicit a foreign power to investigate american political parties or your opponent. reporter: sondland also testified that giuliani s interference was well-known around the state department and that officials were fully aware diz closing he discussed giuliani with secretar
him and his right to do something, but it shouldn t stop him from doing this other business and he said this has nothing to do with it, and i believe him. am i being fair here or not? it seems that i would hope i would not do that. i would hope that people would do business with me and i would be wrong. then half of the people in this town wouldn t work when the president comes into office and that s just the way it is in this town. out of context it s hard to know exactly what is going on in that conversation. it doesn t sound good, but it doesn t we just don t know exactly what it means. there are s lot of other rudy giuliani conversations and statements in context that when you put it all together it doesn t look good. patrick, the other context here is you ve got rudy giuliani, the president s lawyer whose phone is in his pocket, pocket dialing a reporter and
turning now to wilmington, north carolina, a city so submerged by the flood waters it s impossible to get in. the mayor says for 40 miles in any direction, nothing can get into or out of the city. every road is flooded. that means no fuel deliveries, no emergency supplies, no fema crews, no power company trucks. now wilmington is simply cut off. on the phone with us is wilmingt wilmington s fire chief. it doesn t sound good. bring us the latest. are are you still getting calls from people who need rescuing? yeah, a little bit. we were very busy last night as the first part of the flood waters started to rise. we were fortunate that we had prepared. we had assets on the ground.
they are getting here. what s the chance that he puts somebody up that you would be okay with? i don t know. it doesn t sound good given that he s been pointing to the number of some of the people that have come out in the top group, a number of those people, i had not supported the top five that they are talking about today or top four. that s not looking good. again, i think my colleagues have to weigh in now. he should be consulting with democrats and republicans and people like susan collins and lisa murcowski. i want a judge who is independent-minded. when you look at when justice kennedy showed independence and wrote the case guaranteeing the opinion guaranteeing marriage equality, when he took a stand and voted to affirm roe v. wade, something that s part of his legacy. you look at the independent spirit, someone that brings people together in consensus,