and i m still willing to think maybe he testified like that because he believed it. i think it s indisputable, your point, joe. of course, if he does not want to seem vulnerable at the time, he is a weak on terrorism, that s what you do. it doesn t make him evil. it makes him a president running for office. so you start to get the words cover-up conspiracy, it takes on different versus. get this out this way. i don t think it s inarguable at this particular time, frankly. duh! it was a cia operation! this is why we have donny deutch on. david gregory, thank you so much. why don t we end it right there? walter, stay with us. hands across the ocean is what it is. david, do we have any meet the press plans yet? we will talk to daryl ice on the program about the meaning of this week. we will keep it going. fantastic, david.