the president was elected two times. i can document plenty of dnc fundraisers. there is not a lot the two immediate former presidents share. both of them flaged their party s establishments. president trump did an end run around what would have been the preferred candidates of the party leadership and i worked in 25 states just in 2007 and it was made clear to me on any number of occasions that we were not on the inside looking out. we were an insurgent and that kind of relationship state in place in one form or another. it didn t kurd will to the extend there was cease and desist letters like there have been president trump and rnc. but there was always an arm s length relationship there. the last point on the bench. harris: that s interesting. are you saying that obama then