is it david objection elro david axelrod, he s joe, he says what he wants, he does what he wants. we have david axelrod on sunday, i m going to ask him that question. was this a plan for him to do this and something he did in the prep sessions and they all start it was great or he started on his own during the actual debate. again, on substance i thought it was a very close call and i can absolutely understand how either side could think on substance their guy one. i thought that ryan had the edge taxes. i thought that biden had the edge just in terms of the debate when it came to entitlements and afghanistan. but the substance was overwhelmed i think or certainly distrablgted b distracted by the style and the over-the-top performance by joe biden, and i don t know why, because i don t think he needed to go nearly that far. bill: we ve seen two debates right now and everyone is racked