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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220206 08:44:00

had grown up with the kathy heckel story. you talk to anyone in town, they would all say that lloyd killed her, and he put her in a vat of acid and dissolved her acid. there was a working theory for years. tom said the policy read in preventing that, in fact he said he found a silver bullet in those piles of documents. we actually discovered that in the police report, in medical records that she had cut her finger at work. it was bleeding so badly that she had to get it treated so three times, this was at the time that she was allegedly in floyd s van every day. so if the prosecution plan to make a big deal out of a dna test showing her blood in loyd groves s than, the defenses response would be so wet. they think it came from kathy because killed her but here s her blood, loyd because she cut her self at work. if this isn t reasonable doubt, what is? as the case went to trial in

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20210904 09:44:00

vat of acid and dissolved her body. that was the working theory for years. but tom says the files he read didn t prove any of that. in fact, he says he found a silver bullet in those piles of documents. we actually discovered that in the police reports, in medical records, that she had cut her finger at work. it was bleeding so badly that she had to get it treated three times. and this was at the time that she was allegedly in her in loyd s van every day. so if the prosecution planned to make a big deal out of a dna test showing kathy heckel s blood in loyd groves van, the defense response now would be so what. they think it came from kathy because loyd killed her. but yet, here s kathy s blood because she cut herself at work. i mean, if this isn t reasonable doubt, what is? as the case went to trial in november 2018, pennsylvania

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