you read the application that was provided by mueller. what do you mean a cutout? they had a third person. he had somebody manafort it was identifiesed as person a. he was using person a to also deliver the message that here s what he s been saying, this is the kind of testimony and he wanted t to understand his idea of what that meant, meaning that only the money that they were talking about in this case was g to th eu, not the united states. well, that is the same thing. you re still trying to influence someone to influence the people s testimony as they would go in either to the grand jury or even an interview by an fbi agent. it s really serious. there s a lot of documentation there. i would be surprised if he doesn t go directly to jail and doesn t collect his 200 bucks before this is over. yeah. this isn t monopoly.