something that s been echo by this administration recently saying this isn t cold war politics. it s been interesting that germany s chancellor merkel said in her conversation with vladmir putin she didn t think he was in touch with reality. if that s the case, then how do we talk to him? what would be effective to provoke a change off the course right now which looks like an invasion? i agree with her impressions. i can understand that. if you look at it from just purely power politics, i don t think this move of the kremlin really makes that much sense. jenna: really? they already had their black see fleet there. they had plenty of influence as to what was going on and this whole excuse of saying that they re going in to protect the interests of the russian speaking population is just propaganda. jenna: what do you think it s about then? i think that vladmir putin
get involved with. russian forces in control of a region. there are concerns it could go into the eastern part of the country. president obama has repeatedly warned the russian president to back off but so far, vladmir putin has ignored the president and the world, really, claiming he s protecting russian citizens. joining me now, author of the kbbj, police and politics in the soviet union and expert on russia and mike baker, former . c.i.a. covert operations officer, it s nice to have you both on set today to talk about this. we re talking about our interpretation of what s happening in eastern europe. how are the russians interpreting what s happening? what is the feeling from that country? well, of course, i think it s one half distinguished between how vladmir putin and the rest of the kremlin views the situation and russian people at