to that map but it is probably helpful. but what about the argument that you hear some republicans think the democrats overplayed their hand in this case? and the backlash will hurt the democrats quick. be careful. when kavanaugh was nominated we did not have to vote to prevent him from getting onto the court and it isn t a winning argument. they don t vote on the same way that republicans do. they need to stay focused on 2018 and then we have to be careful and focus on winning elections and then to have more of that with those people
at isn t being called into question. to make argument that he is incapable of impartial jurisprudence isn t a winning argument for the democrats because he has a ten-plus-year track record on the second most important high court. pete: yeah. griff: you talk about overplaying their hand, that s an argument that s going to to be hard to back up. then marry it to fact that we have an fbi investigation. should they not find any corroborating evidence to the claims dr. ford made, then you find yourself in a politically pragmatic dilemma which is how do you not now support a guy who defended his honor because the fbi didn t find it? it s a difficult argument to back up. pete: it was never genuine in the first place. they were going to vote against him rachel: well, and i was going to say senator hirono said, shut up, that s what he was supposed to do, and he didn t follow their script. and now they re saying, oh, sorry, you defended yourself,
americans care about this. that will be a problem if they re trying to hold on to seats or if they re trying to gain majority, this isn t a winning issue for democrats and democrats know that. the more far to the left that the party goes, this will only be more of an issue if they re trying to win seats back in 2018. so when senator gillibrand says that, you know, she s doing her party a disservice because this doesn t actually go anywhere and i don t think this is a platform that the democrats are actually looking for. i don t think you would ask any democrat, hey, do you think that we need more immigration control or do you think that we need, you know, to fix the problem at the border. they would say yes. would they disagree with the policies and the administration s policies around this? probably. i don t think they would say abolishing ice is the answer. neil: a lot of them read the political tea leaves in the party that the passion is on the extreme left and i only little strai
by those who are angry than by those satisfied. there is broad support for secure borders including among democrats, community of color. this isn t a winning issue for the far left. it could get them out to the polls. that s the point, who will show up? if you are fat and happy. let me ask you about this. that s how the midterms go. who is angry on the other side. are they angry enough to go to the polls. the argument now is not as many are angry as before. you seem to think just as many or maybe more. the images about immigration. people with the kids and cages
it s not enough for players to stay in the locker room. the president keeps on sort of moving the line here, not only can they not kneel, they can t stay in the locker room here. he seems to be dictating what he considers to be the only appropriate behavior. dictating. that s a good word. he s he wants it his way or the highway. and obviously he s the president of tnited states and he has his s in certain things, but at the end of the day, there s no winning when you re quelling dissent. there s no winning when you can t help this country move forward and to really fix a lot of the inequities in the criminal justice system. so, nate, what happens next? this isn t a winning and losing, you know. everybody is losing right now. that s what it feels like to me. because we re falling apart. you know what i mean? and we re so obsessed with that as a nation. i m not just talking about one man in one position, i m talking about all of us. it is everything is not this