it s a very sad thing to watch. i will tell you that. that was back in december and the pattern of course continues. today he brought in a new member of his legal team, joseph digenova, who you might remember for pushing some conspiracy theories about the fbi trying to prevent the president s election. they tried to frame an incoming president with a false russian conspiracy that never existed, and they knew it, and they plotted to ruin him as a candidate and then destroy him as a president. which is essentially the president s complaint. the investigation of him, his campaign, his administration isn t a reflection on any facts in the case. all the indictments and guilty pleas notwithstanding. instead it s about the corruption of the organizations investigating him. the system he says is rigged, and you might have heard that before. the process is rigged. this whole election is being rigged. watch the polls because this is part of the crooked system.
if you ve done nothing wrong, you should want the investigation to be as fulsome and thorough as possible. is the president acting like he s innocent in all of this? i think he is, particularly when he went and gave an impromptu interview to the new york times on the record recorded about his views of the investigation. that is not the behavior of guilty people. that s what an innocent person does when they re so frustrated by the fact that there seems to be a counternarrative that you want to go and set the record straight. so i have every expectation that the president will be found innocent in any sincere and unbiased tribunal. but here you ve got a group of people who seem to have bias against the president, who have an unlimited amount of power to go after him. and that s where the frustration bubbles up among many conservatives if not mr. gowdy. the new lawyer who the president has added to his legal team said that the russia investigation was cooked up by a group of fbi
friends, and he s upset, and he doesn t he thinks his lawyers got it wrong. mm-hmm. and he wants to know how to fight back. digenova is a former u.s. attorney who is very aggressive. john dowd has been, let s cooperate. so i think this takes us tiinto new phase and the president clearly wants to start punching. carl, do you believe the president is laying the ground work to dispute the conclusions of the mueller probe? i think it s really the people who know him best, not me, that we want to listen to here. and the people i talk to who know him best believe he is determined to shut down this investigation, to ultimately see that mueller is fired. but more than that, that there is no report that really goes to the haeart of his conduct, trump s conduct, the conduct of his business organization. he wants this to go away on his terms. he sees this as part of a great
family. but certainly the special prosecutor is putting dots together. and why we should believe at this point donald trump when he says there s been no collusion when everything else practically that he has said in this matter has been shown to be false goes back to trey gowdy s statement. act like an innocent person. say, i m an open book. let s have this investigation run its course. and when it s finished, there ought to be an investigation of the investigators because they ve abused their power. if, indeed, the investigation is allowed to go forward and the facts come out. he does not want the facts to come out because so far, as we have seen, they are very, very damning about his conduct. but, you know, he has said and this is what s so interesting. he has said, you know, i want to testify. i ll be happy to testify before the special counsel. what are his lawyers doing right now? they are trying to narrow that testimony if they let it go on
once more texts were released, it was evidence it was related to some vladimir putin calendars that were released, yes? well, i think it s always reasonable to try to get more context to these claims. it s highly aberrational that you ve got two people engaged in an extramarital affair texting in realtime about an investigation of the president of the united states and about an investigation of a presidential candidate like hillary clinton. right, but so, again, it was a reasonable question to wonder why people at the fbi were referencing a secret society. while there may have not been some formal incarnation of that, you may have had the very informal cabal that mr. digenova referenced working against the president. you do admit though with the fuller context, it now was just a lighthearted remark, yes? look, there still are messages we haven t seen. i think before drawing those conclusi conclusions, we should have a full redaction of the text messages. there are over 1.2