side. the president s lawyers make their side. we know that already. we heard that. we need to know the facts. for those that are in a position to know. and from documents that accurately reflect them. so to engage a trial without the facts coming out is to engage in a cover-up. to conduct a trial without the facts is saying we re afraid. we have something to hide. to conduct a trial without relevant witnesses who haven t been heard from, to just rehash the evidence presented in the house, just doesn t make any sense. if leader mcconnell doesn t hold a full and fair trial, the american people will rightly ask, what are you leader mcconnell and what is president trump hiding. ready for questions. one at a time.
i think it s fair, and as i said all along, i think the leverage is if the house says, we re not going to send the articles over if this isn t a fair trial. you know, i think it s an interesting idea, i think it s one that a lot of democrats on the house side have rejected. partly because there were a group of moderates who were interested in censuring president trump instead of voting out articles of impeachment. that idea was really slapped down by a lot of prominent democrats who say, that s not our constitutional charge. if you think there s something wrong, we must send this to the senate for a trial. so i think it would be difficult for democrats to suddenly take that route. there s so much even though there are a couple dozen moderates or people who are on the margins of this, on the democratic side, the caucus is
no good argument if you re interested in the facts in not having these witnesses come forward now. the standard at a trial is different than the standard when a prosecutor in this case, the house impeachment authority puts together a case. a trial is a place for witnesses. i expect to have the support from democrats and republicans. because the argument is so strong. many republicans have voiced to me that they think what the president did is wrong, but they re not just sure enough facts have been presented to make the an impeachable case. high crimes and misdemeanors, this is the way to do it, the way we outlined.
out of the house, out of the american people. the senate may want to put a z resolution for him violating his oath and the constitution. the other solution is what s being called a constitutional caucus, it only takes three upstanding responsible gop senators to join with like mi minded democrats to structure a fair trial, whatever mcconnell and others thing. it only takes 51 to 1e9 the rules. the number is 51, abby i want to hear your voice in all this, republicans are the majority party in the senate they can set
chuck schumer refer to the republicans as a cover-up. abby summed it up perfectly. how do you see it from your perch, how do you see where this could go between mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer. i think it was very wise of schumer to issue the better to lay out the parameters of what really is a fair trial. the witnesses are probably somewhat debatable. there are fair witnesses, fact witnesses and they did mention in the letter, they would entertain republicans having witnesses, if they had relevant information to the issues in the articles of impeachment. hunter biden doesn t have such information, joe biden doesn t have such information. they really are trying to keep it very focused.