the ones who are suffering. the incredible consequences of the brutality of russian forces which we ve now been seeing in growing disbelief really on our screen for the last eight weeks. by that said, it clearly is the case that if putin is able to achieve through the use of this brutality and military force, a larger conquest of ukraine then and which he has already achieved in 2014 by annexing crimea. that would pose a serious long term problem for security, it would be incumbent on the circumstance that we, the west, the european union, nato, united states really think about how we can have a relationship with the rest of ukraine that is still free, that ensures that no more war is likely to happen, we cannot become member of the ukraine-y in union, a member of nato, even if all the territory that is currently ukrainian isn t