makes us all safer in the long run. joyce, this is and i understand mostly from the three of you that this was a trial about specific individuals, specific buckets of evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a specific crime. we re in a moment where countering extremism and deradicalizing like mr. ayers who testified before the january 6th committee, is an urgent domestic security priority. talk about the verdict in that context. andrew s point i think is a very savvy one. something anyone who has been involved in dealing with domestic terror organizations know is they re very fragile. this isn t the solidity of the ku klux klan which was disassembled in a lawsuit by the southern poverty law center. they bankrupted the klan.