and then he told her not to and said this, contempt is a small risk, but running to the right is better for you. now, a couple things to note here. these are two interviews from september after we saw that live interview and after she had moved on from passantino. this, again, is why she said she had that breaking point and as you ll remember on monday the january 6th committee alleged they had information that a white house or excuse me, a trump backed attorney had been pressuring their client in this way to say essentially downplayed their testimony or maybe say they don t recall and cnn found out that was former white house lawyer ethics lawyer, stefan passantino. just to give you insight into what else is here this is what she said he told her to say specifically. i want to make it clear to you stefan never told me to lie. he specifically told me i don t want you to perjury yourself but i don t recall isn t perjury. they don t know what you can and can t recall.