at this hour, you might remember this image of the man behind me, kicking his feet up on then house speaker nancy pelosi s desk during the capitol riots so how many years will he be spending behind bars for his actions on january 6th. that s next. and the horrific words the suspect said at the scene after deliberately crashing into the white house barrier monday night allegedly telling authorities he admired nazis and wanted to quote kill the president. plus, speed bump, with just eight days left before a potential default, one official tells nbc news that house speaker kevin mccarthy and his team refuse to negotiate with the white house, and then another meeting gets scheduled there. so where do things stand right now? we ve got a live report. also, the potential real world fallout if a deal is not reached by june 1st. what one veteran s group says is their primary concern. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. i want to begin right the
and fbi. it s obvious to point out here, not being told that you re being indicted is not the same as not receiving a target letter. you would get the target letter before the actual indictment, what happened. and trump also spoke to maggie haberman of the new york times. he denied he s been told he s being indicted. that s different than saying you have not gotten a target letter from the doj. i should also remind viewers that earlier this week, trump s attorneys went to the justice department to meet with justice department officials. they were in the fourth floor of that building. jack smith, the special counsel, was in the room for that meeting. but i m told he did not say a word in there. he walked in there, he said hello, he said good-bye, but he did not have anything else to say in that meeting, which was more of the trump team airing their grievances, their complaints about the special counsel s investigation. in term of a time line or next steps, it could be very quick.
grand jury. sara murray has that. what have you learned? we have learned that steve bannon has been subpoenaed for documents and testimony. this came about a month ago. and bannon is someone who, you know, was riling up the gop base, spreading falsehoods about the 2020 election on his podcast. he predicted all hell would break loose a day before the january 6th attack on the capitol. you know, this is what prosecutors are focusing on with bannon is the january 6th investigation. you know, according to the book, peril, he was talking to trump in 2020 and urging trump to focus on january 6th, focus on the electoral college. it is an indication that even as the mar-a-lago documents probe may be winding down, there are still witnesses that the justice department, the jack smith team, wants to hear from or try to hear from on the january 6th investigation. so, is there any indication of whether bannon will cooperate or has? well, that s a great question. we ve reached out to him and
it s also the suggestion it s not just the people around that person. it s that person themselves. it s not a requirement that the justice department charge that person with a crime. but it would be unlikely for it not to happen within a relatively short time thereafter. based on what we know publicly, if an indictment is handed up to the former president if what are the likely charges. obstruction of justice is likely. we know that at least the reporting suggests that the target letter was related to the documents probe, not the january 6 probe. at least that s my understanding. number one will be obstruction of justice. number two, possible destruction of documents or removal or retention of documents. each of those things could potentially be a separate crime. or the mishandling of defense information as well, but that s another crime as well. it s a number of different crimes that could be at play here, not all tied to whether they were classified documents, just merely t
government property that was sensitive in a place it shouldn t have been. and potentially an investigation got tampered with. what are your thoughts on the florida grand jury that continues to hear testimony in the federal investigation? can you learn anything from the fact that the focus seems to have moved to that location? the very important caveat we don t know, you really bring a grand jury in another state because thing about bringing charges there, different crimes the justice department charges crimes based on where they happen. a document retention or possession crime may take place in different places, right? it s something that was taken from washington, d.c. but brought to florida and maybe destroyed or mishandled in florida. that s probably two different crimes. same thing with obstruction of justice. it may have happened in one place or another. my guess is that the justice department would be looking at bringing charges in the places that they d have the clearest a