land on the border and idea infectious, hateful and full of insanity yet now without its figure head a man willing to lead his followers to death but only from the shadows. so what is the death of the author of isis ideology mean for the group itself? it s a substantial blow, obviously, deep symbolic and what isis was all about and certainly if you re looking to find a way of slowing the projection of that technology horror through social media, killing the man who fermented that to inspire it is a way of slowing that down but like the soviet union the death of their leader, but continue of elements continue to spread over social media because it s more a virus online, frankly. there may be cells of isis waiting for a moment like this to attack. that is speculation but you cannot take away from the fact
about that. look, we know that american president has said that they have defeated 100% of the caliphate, but that is a physical loss, right? because it is different than the defeat of the isis ideology. absolutely. so the defeat of the physical caliphate in iraq and syria and isis is no longer controlling the territory the way they had from 2014 to 2017, and 2018. so as you mentioned, alex, the ideology still exists, and it is something to keep track of with the death of baghdadi, there are eight groups in the world who have officially used the isis name in their organizational sort of the title and a number of other loosely affiliated networks. so even with the death of baghdadi who is the sort of the avowed leader of this global enterprise at least up until today, there are groups to use isis in the name, and the loose networks and one thing that is
their grasp. u.n. investigators say the only way to defeat the isis ideology is to have nuremberg-style trials because many detainees themselves still believe they ve done nothing wrong. what do you think is going to happen to you now? what do you want to happen to you? deport me. take me back or they will put me in jail here. resigned to your future, whatever that future is. yeah, whatever the future is. do you regret joining the group? doesn t really sound like you do. you sound like it was what it was and it happened. there s regret, but i m not regretting that i came to syria. despite facing years in prison, warren christopher clark still has no regrets. maybe i go to jail. maybe i don t. i mean, i don t know. it s not really, you know, big thing to me. lots of great people have gone to jail. malcolm x has been to jail.
syrian/turkish border, taking over multiple cities. once this has actually happened, turkey says it s going to create a safe zone that syrian refugees living in turkey can be moved back into. that would effectively be creating a significant change in the demographic there, not to mention another more pressing concern. that is that those syrian kurds, that syrian kurdish fighting force, they have been guarding isis fighters in prisons, both foreign fighters as well as syrians and iraqis. they have been guarding refugee camps, home to 70,000 people among the last to leave the isis caliphate, that last stronghold they were holding. in these camps, i was just there, the isis ideology is very much alive. this is the same fighting force that is on the front hines of the still ongoing battle against
next wave of isis cubs who have tried to become normal, but will realize that that is something that will forever be beyond their grasp. u.n. investigators say the only way to defeat the isis ideology is to have nuremberg-style trials, because many detainees themselves still believe they ve done nothing wrong. what do you think is going to happen to you now? what do you want to happen to you? i don t know if they will deport me. maybe my country will take me back or they will put me in jail here. resigned to your future, whatever that future is? yeah, whatever that future is. do you regret joining the group? you don t really sound like you do, you sound like it was what it was and it happened. there is regrets, you know. but i m not regretting that i came to syria. despite facing years in prison, warren christopher clark still has no regrets. maybe i go to jail, maybe i don t. i don t know, it s not really,