it is an ongoing conversation, but if we were having the conversation in 1988 about ron reagan. there were people criticizing him in 1988 for being too soft in gore about chov. there are going to be a lot of things that play out that will shape president obama s legacy. what happens in me zulle. the isis, isil problem. it look like president-elect donald trump doesn t agree with the congressional leadership about what americans deserve to have. he is talking about people with preexisting conditions still being able to be insured.
legacy is. you can t believe we re talking about it this early. i can t, but it s okay. it s an ongoing conversation, but if we were having a conversation in 1988 about ronald reagan, there were people criticizing ronald reagan in 1988 for being too soft on gorbachev and if gorbachev had been overthrown in 89 rather than 1991, who knows what outcome would have been and ronald reagan s legacy as the one who won the cold war wouldn t have been the legacy of the man who won the cold war. there are a number of things to play out for barack obama that are going to shape his legacy. for example, what happens in mosul, whether after the surprise of 2014 when he comes to grips with isis/isil problem, does he really actually deal with it effectively before he leaves office? obamacare, it looks as if president-elect trump doesn t agree with the congressional leadership about what americans deserve to have. he s talking about people with pre-existing conditions continuing to be insured. he s
the problem is is that, again, without a large number of troops on the ground, it s hard to create a safe zone like that. and that doesn t solve the isil problem. joining us now hillary mann lefrit, under president george w. bush and bill clinton and john on the stevenson at the u.s. naval war kol ledge who worked for the national security council from 2011-2013. jonathan stevenson, so this issue of bombing more, do we have more to bomb? there s a question now of what targets are left after all of this bombing that has gone on for so long already. i think that, you know, accelerating bombing and finding more targets is going to be difficult, but one of the reasons that president obama has wanted more special forces in with expanded mission to trying to end to find more
national security. and here s what the president said about establishing a no-fly zone in syria, a position advocated by hillary clinton, jeb bush, chris christie, john kasich, marco rubio. the other new thing that people have suggested would be some variation of a no-fly zone or a safe zone. this is something we ve been talking about for three or four years. the challenge there is that isil doesn t have an air force so the damage done there is not against isil, it s against the syrian regime. creating a safe zone for syrian refugees, we ve tested. we ve looked at repeatedly. the problem is is that, again, without a large number of troops on the ground, it s hard to create a safe zone like that. and that doesn t solve the isil problem. joining us now hillary mann leverett, under president george w. bush and bill clinton, and jonathan stevenson at the u.s. naval war college who worked for
doesn t spill any further over into jordan or into other places southern turkey or other neighboring countries. try and contain it and try and work with those in the neighborhood to see the extent to which we could work together to extinguish this conflagration of extremism in the region. other than that there isn t a whole lot we can do. the government in baghdad is shia dominated. they send their militias out. they kill sunni on the ground as well as the sunni extremists. there s no love lost between them. in addition to having this isil problem, you ve got a civil war that is bubbling away there. there s very little we can do except to maybe make things worse and make ourselves everybody s enemy. nobody is happy nobody becomes friends of ours because we intervene on one side or the other. ambassador joe wilson, professor caroline heldman,