reforms which we re working on here in congress. eugene? yeah. it s great to see paul ryan talking about conyers and the need to address this in conyers. but he s been getting criticism about not speaking out about donald trump. ironically the person of the year runner up. the reality is when we can look at this beyond the partisan side of it and look at industries beyond capitol hill, maybe that s when we koultd see traction. there s the people s perspective too. when it comes to men like harvey weinstein to create this complicity machine, some of those complicit arguably are also victims in this power dynamic too. and that is complicated. that is nuance. i think this whole situation is very complicated. i mean, there s harassment. there s assault. there s something to make you feel uncomfortable. and whether or not you feel like you can be bold enough to step up and, you know, talk back. the conversation has to end here for the moment. we re going to continue this conve
divisiveness but didn t go over the top as so many republicans did. i want to say something. one of the things i want to start off with. i m not cuban so it s not my place to tell you how to feel about fidel castro or that experience. i want to be clear about that. one thing i will say is that human rights has never really been a requirement for america to negotiate for any country. and so when we think about fidel castro s human rights abuses, i don t think i m trying to lie niez him or say he s a saint. no one is saying that. what we are saying is that there are certain aspects of what he has done in his views towards black people, even though they weren t fully realized, were sentiments people appreciate. i think that s nuance and context. we know he was a brutal dictator. we know he was all those things that president barack obama said about him and his regime. another thing you have to keep in mind is that the reason why we hear the cuban-american exile
hurting or killing people but we have to understand that resistance looks different ways to different people. and part of what it means to say black lives matter is to assert our right to have rage and righteous indignation in the face of state killing. freddie gray is dead. that s why the city is burning. it s not burning because of protesters. the city is burning because the police killed freddie gray. i understand what you re saying and that s nuance. but in all practicality, the city is burning because someone set it on fire. you know this is going to be i think, a difficult conversation for us to have and work our way through. first of all, there does seem to now be just objectively an evolutionary leap in the street tactics that we re seeing. in ferguson you didn t see fires being set apparently strategically to pull the police in this direction or that
this is mind-boggling. democrats want the hispanic vote but they are promising to security border, which doesn t make people happy on the hispanic side of the debate. pushing for tougher bored are control. it seems to be a real conflict, jim, right down in your part of the country. down here, chris, the answer is nuance. a certain amount of the discussion about securing borders is just nonsense. the border can be secured. but it involves putting people on the river with guns and firing warning shots at children s feet. you can put up a fence. and you could put constantina wire on it and turn the rio valley into check point charlie like the berlin wall. but we are looking for leadership that is different. allowing the two countries to work together. i think the president s problem about central america, i won t suggest he inherited it.