by many nato countries and it s the disdain in general. crosstalk. the disdain in general. crosstalk. .,. ., crosstalk. the fact of the matter is crosstalk. the fact of the matter is basic. crosstalk. the fact of the matter is basic. look - crosstalk. the fact of the matter is basic. look at - crosstalk. the fact of the matter is basic. look at a i crosstalk. the fact of the - matter is basic. look at a map. from russia s point of view, thatis from russia s point of view, that is a dire security threat. and i believe that it was a mistake ever to have offered the idea of nato enlargement to ukraine, which was made by george bushjunior in 2008, really to be shock and dismay of a lot of european leaders at the time. this was also very well known. the time. this was also very well- known. well-known. yes, that well known. sorry, well-known. yes, that well known. sorry, hold- well-known. yes, that well known. sorry, hold on, - known. sorry, hold on, because. known. sorry, hold on,
those may not be the outcomes but they are positions for negotiation. to my mind, they are a basis for real negotiation and for finding a diplomatic solution. crosstalk. i do not think diplomatic solution. crosstalk. i do not think there diplomatic solution. crosstalk. i do not think there is diplomatic solution. crosstalk. i do not think there is a - i do not think there is a military solution for ukraine. are you saying ukraine would need to accept that it, its future lies in a neutral position, then? it cannot be a member of nato and maybe it cannot be a member of the eu because it certainly would not feel like it s on president zelensky s cards. i feel like it s on president zelensky s cards.- zelensky s cards. i think ukraine zelensky s cards. i think ukraine will zelensky s cards. i think ukraine will not - zelensky s cards. i think ukraine will not be - zelensky s cards. i think ukraine will not be a - zelensky s cards. i think- ukraine will not be a member of nato. in f