preferential tickets, even dating-app badges. these gimmicks. do you think they ll they ll work? and what message does it send to those who are the first to get the vaccine, who believed in the science, stood in line to get those shots, now seeing the most reluctant people getting rewarded for holding out? i hope i am not sounding too bitter here. it s interesting that you bring this up. i spent my entire career working in places like the democratic republic of congo where we have been working on these issues of vaccination and vaccine hesitancy. trying to get as many people vaccinated as possible. and i understand the peril of starting to give incentives for vaccination. the worry is what does that mean in the future? are we always going to have to incentivize people for vaccination? i hope not. i really think what s been happening here is to get people s attention, to get them over the finish line. thanks so much for joining us, anne, really appreciate it.
now. but you have got to get yourself vaccinated. reporter: now, just briefly, back to that cdc guidance for summer camps. they have posted, on their site, guidance for camps where not everybody is vaccinated. and number one on the list of things they advise is just tell everyone to get vaccinated. nick watt, cnn, los angeles. joining me now from los angeles is anne, professor of epidemiology at the ucla fielding school of public health. thanks so much for joining us. so, heading into the memorial day weekend here, in the u.s., on one hand, as we just saw, cases are going down. and it s the first holiday in which millions of americans, about half of them, have been fully vaccinated. on the other hand, now, there are, you know, few restrictions. and we are already seeing so many people acting like the pandemic is basically over. and now, some some 37 million people are expect today travel
the country wasn t prepared bureaucratically to carry this out. and so what you have is a paralysis, which is really extraordinary. the country spanish politicians said to me a couple of days ago, you know, this was the country we looked up to. this was you know, this is the country that is the mother of parliaments, the most competent politicians. people who knew what they were doing. and suddenly they seem really unable to move beyond this vote that, as you say, we have now had once. we re going to have it again. we may have it a third time before we re done. george osborne, you were at the center of that crisis that anne applebaum describes with the tory party, your prime minister decided against holding a referendum. is anne s critique correct? my amplification of it would be probably you were dealing with the reality that tony blair had moved the labor party away from a kind of hard left socialism, taking over some of the center ground that ttories used to hav