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Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 06:02:00

about trump s actions that led to the riot. i ve shared that i think the president was poorly advised by a lot of the people around him at that time. i think ultimately the buck stops with the president. he has responsibility to listen to advice or to discard advice. as the house committee hold these hearings, the investigation continues, the washington post reporting on a new revelation about ginni thomas. she, of course, is the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. the paper says the panel now has emails between ginni thomas herself and lawyer john eastman, who once clerked for clarence thomas and who played a very big part in trump s plot to stay in power. the committee is also intensifying its focus on republican congressman barry loudermilk. let s say his name again barry loudermilk do not forget it. this guy gave a tour of the covid closed capitol complex today before the insurrection.

Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 06:48:00

you know, when you lose a campaign it s impossible to raise money, why would anybody give you money, you lost. donald figured out how to turn it into a quarter billion dollar and growing money machine. so, you re pretty confident that trump fundraised him off the big lie is this just a big fraud? oh, absolutely, and i think he s vulnerable to a federal charge of mail and wire fraud. and, you ll hear a lot of people say, well, there s a disclosure in the fine print that says we may use the money for something else. well, i talked to some federal prosecutors and laurence tribe, the harvard constitutional scholar also agrees that he s vulnerable to this. and the argument to be made by prosecutors that trump knew that this was a scam so he put in the, well, we might spend the money on something else provision as a part of that skin. now, in addition to that, fraud,

Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 06:51:00

county that overlays atlanta, pursuing her voter fraud case left and perhaps merrick garland will authorize a case. there does seem to be an investigation going on by the department of justice. but i don t understand why these democrats talk a big game and then fold. okay, let s go back when he was, president democrats they would say they need to put new laws in place to prevent future presidents from abusing the norms that the way trump did. have you seen any effort to create new laws, rules regulations? because, last i checked, trump could run for president tomorrow and he still would not have to cement his taxes. right, there s been some it was introduced but nothing has happened. and in fact, the united states supreme court in a long string of decisions we could do a whole another segment about have moved in the direction of basically legalizing bribery and criminal conduct by elected officials, by narrowing and

Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 06:15:00

that is clear. and i think the relationship could well become worse tomorrow with the public hearings. and really, the full airing on live television of the degree to which pence betrayed trump in trump s mind. remember, trump was supplying so much pressure on pence, and he had john eastman and other players trying to help him do so to use his constitutional authority in overseeing the joint session of congress on january 6th, to throw out the certified election results for the electoral college from all of these states and the country. pence reviewed what he could do, and of course determined that there was no lawful way to do what trump wanted. and ended up defying trump s wishes by following his constitutional duty and overseeing those proceedings on january 6th, and it created a permanent breach in their relationship. they of course continue to work together in the final couple of

Transcripts for MSNBC The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle 20240604 03:52:00

regulations? because, last i checked, trump could run to president tomorrow. and, he still would have to submit his taxes. right, there s been some wheels and nothing else have been we can do a whole another segment we have a new other section of legalizing bribery and criminal conduct by elected officials, by nearing and narrowing and narrowing. the ability of prosecutors over, against people who are elected office and abuse their power for their own benefit. david, this evening s 11th hour broadcast has been brought to you by the little f for feckless and fraud. david cay johnston, thank you so much for joining us tonight. please come back. soon, and coming up, the very good news today, a very scared and anxious parents and their young children around the country. with the special shut up to the one and only, dolly parton,

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