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continuing our conversation as we re hearing another account of what went on inside the sweat lodge led by self-help guru, james arthur ray, contributor to the book the secret. this was a spiritual retreat, and it has turned deadly. we want to know what happened. we are finding out, we have with us ted schmidt, he is a lawyer of sydney spencer. she was inside that sweat lodge, getting his account. we have a doctor with us, telling us what happens to the body when things get hot. also with us, eric chase, criminal defense attorney. we hear this account, eric. most people hear all this and say, come on. james arthur ray set the table for this tragedy. how are you going to defend him? well, first we have to separate into two parts, the criminal part and civil part. in terms of the criminal part, and what happened in the sweat lodge, i don t think there is going to be any criminal liability. you don t think? i don t think. any type of criminal charge, you at least have to