government by recurring crises? absolutely. we are just now beginning to come out of the worse economic crisis since the great depression. we re still in the gravitational pull of this recession. people are not getting jobs back. a few jobs are coming back. the jobs that are coming back pay less than the jobs that were lost. but the reality is that if you have a government shutdown, if you don t raise the debt limit, if you have the games that republicans are intent on playing, you are jeopardizing this recovery. you re going to mean you know, it means hundreds of thousands of government employees are not going to get their paychecks. it means a lot of other citizens are not going to be able to live off of simply the buying that the government employees do. you have military personnel that are either going to get ious instead of paychecks. how can you run an economy with this degree of not only uncertainty but this degree of irresponsibility? former labor secretary robert reich,
have a government shutdown, if you don t raise the debt limit, if you have the games that republicans are intent on playing, you are jeopardizing this recovery. you re going to mean you know, it means hundreds of thousands of government employees are not going to get their paychecks. it means a lot of other citizens are not going to be able to live off of simply the buying that the government employees do. you have military personnel that are either going to get ious instead of paychecks. how can you run an economy with this degree of not only uncertainty but this degree of irresponsibility? former labor secretary robert reich, new film i highly recommend. msnbc reporter suzy khimm. thank you both. today every single leader in the world was within a few square miles of each other and our own president and the leader of the longest standing enemy both spoke to the world. what they had to say coming up.
health care act law, which is potentially costing americans the most in your view. which is, is it defunding this law or is it the government shutdown? what costs everybody the most? both are going to be very costly, fredricka. the shutdown itself could be extraordinarily costly because you ll have hundreds of thousands of government workers who will be furloughed, they won t be paid. you have military personnel who will get ious. they have to show up to work, but they won t get paid. when all that money is drained out of the economy, you could have job losses of hundreds of thousands of people because there s just not enough money circulating. and this at a time when there has been so much hopeful discussion, so many hopeful discussions about the economy on the upswing. how much would that kind of change the pendulum? this could not come at a worst time. and remember, two weeks after this possible shutdown. in fact, it looks like a very
the last chance to prevent that. i think that s some of what is driving it. but in the end it s not going to be i think easy for the president to say i m not going to talk about it at all. i do think somewhere there s going to be some discussions about the affordable care act because let s face, it it s already being implemented in a way in which it s kind of dissimilar in the way certain people are being treated. so the equities even, with businesses already being exempted and others not individuals not. speaking of inequities, we ve heard from viewers. and if we go into shutdown mode here in terms of the government, congress still gets paid. but a lot of essential workers, members of the military, for example, they re going to get ious and get a delayed paycheck. i guess there s a question whether they d get paid ultimately at all. your colleague from the other side of the aisle john yarmouth told me earlier he would support stopping congressional pay now too. would you go along
reconcile this bill. right. very concerned on timing here. kristin, thank you so much. you might be wondering what would happen if the government shuts down. if there s no agreement by october 1st, nonessential workers half the government workforce would be furloughed. those who do stay on the job including members of the military and air traffic controllers would not get paid. instead issued ious. passport and visa applications would stahl. so would student loans. national parks and monuments would close to tourists including one of the nation s most visited attractions, the statue of liberty would be closed to visitors. not everything would come to a screeching halt. social security checks, medicare kir payments is, federal prisonses will stay open. mail delivery keeps running and members of congress will still get their paychecks. syria appears to have met the first test toward eradicating its chemical weapons program and submitted an initial list of its arsenal friday.