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obstruction and intimidating witnesses and sometimes by violence and leading an investigation. and if somebody is obstructing a witness and the key here, katy, it the purpose. this is always the key in obstruction and other white-collar type crimes is what is the purpose with which it is done. if it is for a corrupt purpose and improper purpose that is a crime. if it is done for a reasonable purpose, such as i really and truly believe this there is no crime there, there is no there-there. there is nothing to investigate and then that may not be a corrupt purpose. however if it is done to avoid getting in trouble, that is the hall park of a corrupt purpose as we always say. it is the cover-up that is sometimes just as bad as the crime. so where would an investigator fall or prosecutors fall on the way donald trump has behaved tort someone like andrew mccabe who said i m being