and ve, which is more formal. and some of the listeners might remember our correspondent here, steve rosenberg, was on a while ago, talking about his interview with alexander lukashenko, the leader of belarus, who used the less formal address for steve. and steve took this as almost belittlement, an attempt to insult him. i think what putin was doing with macron was slightly different here. he was trying to say that i am part of the club of important nations, i m on the high table of global politics, and this of course is a really big statement from putin because russia has been kicked out of organisations like the g8, which is now the g7. and he wants to show that russia is there in the club ultimately. let me bring in benjamin strick. because i said i wanted to look at the role open source investigators are playing in our understanding of the situation and, ben, you re the investigations director at the centre for investigation resistance, which is a not for profit dedicated to exp
politics, and this of course is a really big statement from putinbecause russia has been kicked out of organisations like the g8, which is now the g7. and he wants to show that russia is there in the club ultimately. let me bring in benjamin strick. because i said i wanted to look at the role open source investigators are playing in our understanding of the situation and, ben, you re the investigations director at the centre for investigation resistance, which is not for profit dedicated to exposing disinformation operations by governments. so you re an expert in sifting through satellite imagery, social media, anything digital that s out there hence the term open source. what are your team finding in respect of russia and ukraine? our team, we re not really establishing any findings. what we re really trying to do is identify what s really happening on the ground. because while we are identifying narratives that are coming up, we re not
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