investigation story this year. that s exactly right lawrence, it is hugely significant. in a sentence, the former president appears to be under criminal investigation by a grand jury. grand jury for your listeners, they re always criminal, there fact finding bodies about deciding whether somebody should be criminally prosecuted, and an investigation doesn t mean an indictment. that only comes later after all the evidence is looked at. lawrence, this is one of the rare times if any that a grand jury s looked at a former president. the only example i m aware of in american history at all is president nixon in june of 1975 about watergate, but he had already been a target at that point, so he couldn t be criminally prosecuted he d been pardoned. this is brand-new, it s a momentous thing. it comes on this day when we heard merrick garland first of all the blur deliberately in
neal katyal, harvard law professor, former federal prosecutor andrew weissmann. you will now be followed by all of them analyzing line by line what you have delivered tonight so we all appreciate your reporting as we always do. i ll keep listening then. thank you very much carroll. and joining us now is neil katya, former justice department official announced msnbc legal and allen idlest. neil, this is as big a development for me as i was reading it tonight as anything that we have read in this investigation story this year. that s exactly right lawrence, it is hugely significant. in a sentence, the former president appears to be under criminal investigation by a grand jury. grand jury for your listeners, hey re always criminal, there fact finding bodies about deciding whether somebody should be criminally prosecuted, and an investigation doesn t
know when he was scheduling this interview that people who had testified before the grand jury had spoken to people at the washington post. he had to know, didn t know exactly would carol leonnig s story would say but the fact that the president is being investigated, the former president is being investigated as a potential target of a criminal prosecution would become public. and in light of the, why when he chose to say that s not my business, i m not the healer -in-chief. it s not my job, might be the presidents job when he s asked to perhaps grant a pardon the way for did to nixon, it s someone else s jurisdiction to worry about those things. but when i heard him say that in the first place, i thought that s a very good sign, and suggests he is not usurping a role that doesn t belong to him. and then when i saw the remarkable reporting in the washington post, it all came together. it became clear that the
hunter s business partner eric sherwin responded to klain s email saying we will discuss this and some other bills on monday. some other bills. we have emails from the laptop showing hunter s business partners paid biden s bills and then hunter and joe shared joint bank accounts. the media and the white house can t contain this much longer. hunter is actually throwing a wedding for his daughter at the white house in november. right after the midterms. maybe hunter isn t scared at all. maybe he knows he will be saved again like he always is. so if this investigation doesn t lead straight to the white house it will just prove that corruption is king in washington, d.c. south carolina senator lindsey graham is a member of the judiciary committee. you know what s going on here. this was a little biden family kickback scheme from overseas. it s been going on for a couple decades and it looks like they
investigation he should have done so yesterday, if not yesterday, tomorrow. the investigation doesn t need to decide in advance whether all of the down sides of an indictment should or should not prevent us from indicting. that s for a later day. but the investigation has to go full speed ahead. and when you are being investigated for criminal activity and maybe informed that you are a possible target, that tends to focus the mind, and the mind of the country needs to be focused on this because however important other things are, we really are running out clock on democracy itself. the leading expert on the civil wars around the world, barbara walter of the university of california and san diego has a book which she says by all objective measures we are 50% away from a civil war. not the standard blue, you know, blue costumes versus gray costumes civil war, but utter chaos, breakdown of the rule of