between trump and president zelensky. in that call giuliani s name comes up repeatedly as trump asked for foreign help investigating joe biden. rudy very much knows what is happening, trump says. if you could speak to him, that would be great. that has raised accusations giuliani was acting as an improper agent of the state department, arranging a political hit job from afar in the name of official business. giuliani says no way he was helping investigate corruption and he says that he has a paper trail that proves it including this text message from a state department official arranging a meeting. i went to meet mr. zelensky s aide at the request of the state department. 15 memos make that clear. reporter: the state department says mr. giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for president trump. he does not speak on behalf of the u.s. government. but he has spoken for trump many
it is also appropriate for people outside the intelligence community to say what is presidential privilege. in other words, should you be talking to the congress about a presidential conversation. what kinds of political corruption. this isn t an intelligence issue, it is an issue of political corruption. what kinds of political corruption should be referred to congress. so i think that the process here is interesting. it is unique. some of did you look back and say i m not sure it was right. the real question now is, and i think this will all fall in the background, whether the congress will move forward or not. the process is weird, but this whole thing is weird. and the congress is trying to move forward. they say that they are going to investigate what they have learned from this complaint and they call it a roadmap. we know mike pompeo, evan, has received three subpoenas, a subpoena from three different house committees. what happens if pompeo just stonewalls congress? well, l
but when the president is engaged in some type of corruption that compromises the interests, the national security, even the integrity of the core of our democracy, our elections, then that is something that the men people need to know. and unfortunately, we re in a place now where the white house and the president of course himself have just done so little to earn our trust. if anything, of course they have been violating our trust. the more we learn, the more or trust whatever we ve had has been violated. we can t afford to take their word for it. we and our representatives in congress need to see records of these calls. we just can t afford not to receive them. evan mcmullen, good to have you with us. thanks so much. the president s personal attorney rudy giuliani is named multiple time in the whistleblower s complaint and now he is giving a warning about possibly testifying in the impeachment inquiry. you re live in the cnn newsroom. good afternoon board members.
between trump and the ukrainian president zelensky. in that call, giuliani s name comes up repeatedly as trump asks for foreign help investigating democrat joe biden. rudy very much knows what s happening, trump says. if you could speak to him, that would be great. that has raised accusations giuliani was acting as an improper a improper agent of the state department, arranging a political hit job from afar in the name of official business. giuliani says no way. he was helping investigate corruption and he says he has a paper trail that proves it, including this text message from a state department official arranging a meeting. i went to meet mr. zelensky s aide at the request of the state department, 15 memos make that clear. reporter: the state department says mr. giuliani is a private citizen and acts in a personal capacity as a lawyer for president trump. he does not speak on behalf of the u.s. government.
the complaint that the congress the two oversight committees have gotten has got some redactions in it, notably names of people. mm-hmm. but i think that s going to be hard to suppress. yeah. and the fact and this officer, whoever it is, needs to be commended for bravery, i think, under a very difficult circumstance because i think he s in somewhat, you know, legal limbo for what he s done. but he s apparently evinced a willingness to testify beyond just, you know, the bald read of his complaint. listen, i got so much to ask you. let me see where i want to go. let s go to the times report. the times in a separate report details president trump first pressed zelensky to coordinate with giuliani and investigate corruption. this was back in april within hours of his election victory, and they report that zelensky s aides have come to see the word corruption as code for investigating biden in 2016. it sounds like ukraine understands exactly what trump