and was and i m doing as part of my unit here in kyiv that patrol work and making sure that diversion groups because basically what russia is doing right now is employing a lot of guerrilla warfare. so we re trying to make sure that those divergent groups do not get into the city. so vladimir, when you talk diversion groups, you are saying that there are groups of russians undercover within the confines of kyiv, not the main russian troops but groups undercover trying to cause damage and kill people presumably in the center of kyiv? absolutely. well, it is it is known right now that they have been that they have been into before the war started and since
of these people do have someone on the other side or some kind support system, not all by any means. but there is a lot more than you would anticipate. you know, today president actually yesterday president zelenskyy addressed his people and he talked about at length about the russians and how they literally set up these humanitarian corridors and attacked the corridors. i mean and i think he s i mean, there might have been some propaganda there, but i think he s being accurate. that s exactly what happened. i m wondering if russia announced ten minutes from now or 15 minutes or an hour from now they were setting up another humanitarian corridor. would you would you allow your people would you send your people to be part of that or is the trust lost ? so i think it s a combination of the two things . one , i do think there s a level of propaganda to there s two weaknesses in the russian army. no one is command and control. i think a lot of times
had been sterling. and we have known that that s not really the case. my worry the whole time in the ramp up to this conflict, should it have come, was that the modernization efforts were going to prove hollow and that when we found out that the russian army was really an embarrassment, they would turn to desperation and desperation equals civilian casualties and attacking civilians. and that s what we re seeing playing out now. yeah, and i think you re right. and you know, listen, it s very clear you look at these maps and i m not saying that russia is not gaining ground because they are clearly gaining ground in the areas they have put troops in . but they ve got all their assets now in ukraine. so all their assets are in there, all in the pottersville they re all in . and the question is that 13 days in general there s not a major city that has been taken yet and that surprised a lot of analysts and generals and military experts because i watch a lot of this stuff all day and people
the proof so far is that europe has rushed to these borders. europe is opening its arms to the refugees. i think there s a lot of support here. we ve seen a lot of support. yes, there will be refugee issues. there s no question when you move this much of human capital , if you will, in such a short period of time, there s going to be issues. that being said, the intent, the outreach, the funding. we do see all of that one share across the border now inside the ukraine obviously i think everyone is sensitive to can we put people on the ground? can we put out that no one s willing to take that risk to start world war three? but i think clearly once you get to the border crossing into slovakia, hungary , romania, poland, you re seeing real support on the other side with some expectation that it looks look, it s going to be a little messy as you work through the first month several months, if you will. yeah, they are, but they re great information. good insight.
become quite attuned to this and i would say this exact template is playing out in the ukraine today. do these people who flee? do they have a plan or are they just trying to get out? i mean, you know, at one point seven million people and i wonder if they go to the border of poland or romania or wherever, do they go with a plan or is it your sense they just go to get out? yeah, i actually believe it or not, i think most people do have to do their business or family. what we re seeing in a lot of cases is the corporations if removing corporate clients, they ll have other offices that they re going to move to in europe and get support on the other side of the border. for families there s enormous amount of reunions going on and believe there s families moving towards these workers, families moving towards these borders in romania and poland and hungary where people are waiting for our clients. so i think in both cases several or at least a majority