and it has a complicated rights deal with music studios, record labels, artists, that has basically bled into its podcast offering, and they try to use podcasts as maybe a way of simplifying that difficult rights relationship. but it hasn t worked. and spotify needs to prove that it s going to be a profitable company in the next few years. otherwise, its investors are going to start to ask a lot, lot more and lot more interrogatory questions. so those issues are specific to spotify. arielle, more broadly on podcasts, presumably you look across the us market and see lots of podcasts which are managing to well, notjust make ends meet but make money. yes, there is a lot of money happening for independent creators as well as larger publications. and the reason that podcasters are able to do that is because you ll hear this time and time again, podcasting is an intimate medium. it is a trope that, you know, gets talked about all the time, but it is an opportunity for people to really get in
offering some people listening might be thinking, well, if they re not making money, who can? it s100% not a podcast problem. this is a spotify problem. spotify is not making money. it has never made money. and it has a complicated rights deal with music studios, record labels, artists that has basically bled into its podcast offering, and they try to use podcasts as maybe a way of simplifying that difficult rights relationship. but it hasn t worked. and spotify needs to prove that it s going to be a profitable company in the next few years. otherwise, its investors are going to start to ask a lot, lot more and not more interrogatory questions. a lot, lot more and lot more interrogatory questions. so those issues are specific to spotify. arielle, more broadly on podcasts, presumably you look across the us market and see lots of podcasts which are managing to well, notjust make ends meet but make money. yes, there is a lot of money happening for independent creators as well as larger
well, if they re not making money, who can? it s100% not a podcast problem. this is a spotify problem. spotify is not making money. it has never made money. and it has a complicated rights deal with music studios, record labels, artists that has basically bled into its podcast offering, and that they try to use podcast as maybe a way of simplifying that difficult rights relationship. but it hasn t worked. and spotify needs to prove that it s going to be a profitable company in the next few years. otherwise, its investors are going to start to ask a lot, lot more and not more interrogatory questions. so those issues are specific to spotify. arielle, more broadly on podcasts, presumably you look across the us market and see lots of podcasts which are managing to well, notjust make ends meet but make money. yes, there is a lot of money happening for independent creators as well as larger publications. and the reason that podcasters are able to do that is because you ll hear this time and
there s also the development of george papadopoulos and he requesting for his sentence, serving of his sentence to be delayed here, karen. that just coming out. so we are hearing, or it s being reported. and that brings up a follow along question, bagssed on the mueller investigation itself and considering its constitutionality, put those two together for me. it was interesting because there s a lot of pressure right now to wrap it up. it s been going on for 18 months, we re starting to now hear about the amount of money that it s costing. so any delay with papadopoulos or anything else, a lot of times you ll say to yourself, why is it being delayed, is there some kind of a deal, is there information, are they waiting for the answers to the questions to match them up. when you re answering interrogatory questions or asking a person for information, here, lots of people have speculated that mueller has lots of information and even trump himself had said i don t want to put myself in a