committed to penn state to play football and basketball and baseball, and it is unfair to penalize more students because of what a coach might have done in years past. guest: absolutely, trace. criminal liability? yes. civil liability to heck, yes. in fact, people state should get out the checkbook and start writing out checks to the victims. but the ncaa being involved there is no resident for this. this is, this has nothing though do with the academic integrity of school. it was horrific thing, disgusting, awful, but there is no jurisdiction. this is not . arthur: thank god there is no precedent. you are right there is no precedent, thank god there has never been a scandal of this nature. trace, i agree, the current student body should not be penalized so they should start, and i am not talking the death penalty they should start a suspension four years from now, so the kids who started now, they have the opportunity to play or transfer out or