joyce, the thing is you have this guy who is refusing to recuse from the epstein case, whose father worked at the school where he was hired and was, you know, essentially had him teaching in a high school with no college degree, and he s not going to walk away from that. he doesn t seem to have even a sense of history of where he will land in it. none of them do. that s, i think, the thing that s most shocking about the trump administration is that the corruption is open because none of them fear the consequences. they know they ll do what they re doing and land a fellowship at harvard and it s all good. some of the these calls that are easy calls, for instance, the recusal call, and barr himself during confirmation hearings even intimated that he would recuse and now that s off the table. the doj folks that thought that barr s institutionalism would carry the day, they were wrong.
roberts to do what he did today? it s a really good question, brian. i think that one of the things that you know about john roberts and you could see it in the obamacare decision and on the basis of my reporting during the kavanaugh hearings, there was a lost concern. his institutionalism is what i m getting to. he s conservative. no doubt. but a conservative institution who cares about the integrity of the court, the viability of the court and the perception of the court and its role in public life. a lot of that was on his mind when he ended up siding with the side that he was not, quote, supposed to side with according to partisans when it came to president obama s affordable care act ruling. and i think according to my reporting he s been extraordinarily concerned throughout the kavanaugh hearings of what that process was doing to the image of the court, what it would mean to have judge kavanaugh on the court. not that he disapproved of him personally or had a view about that bu
bench. no other president has done this of any party. and say i am going to ignore whether or not they deem a candidate for the bench qualified. that is an incredible low. john, we ve just heard from two people, neal katyal and maya wiley, who have spent their adult lives in the law. this is an emotional topic. john roberts has also spent his adult life in the law, perhaps at a higher level. there s taciturn, and then there s john roberts. what did it take for john roberts to do what he did today? it s a really good question, brian. i think that one of the things that you know about john roberts and you could see it in the obamacare decision and on the basis of my reporting during the kavanaugh hearings, there was a lost concern. his institutionalism is what i m getting to. he s conservative. no doubt. but a conservative institution
candidate for the bench qualified. that is an incredible low. john, we ve just heard from two people, neal katyal and maya wiley, who have spent their adult lives in the law. this is an emotional topic. john roberts has also spent his adult life in the law, perhaps at a higher level. there s taciturn, and then there s john roberts. what did it take for john roberts to do what he did today? it s a really good question, brian. i think that one of the things that you know about john roberts and you could see it in the obamacare decision and on the basis of my reporting during the kavanaugh hearings, there was a lot of concern. his institutionalism is what i m getting to. he s conservative. no doubt. but a conservative institution who cares about the integrity of the court, the viability of the court and the perception of the court and its role in public life. a lot of that was on his mind when he ended up siding with the side that he was not, quote, supposed to side with according to
at a higher level. there s taciturn, and then there s john roberts. what did it take for john roberts to do what he did today? it s a really good question, brian. i think that one of the things that you know about john roberts and you could see it in the obamacare decision and on the basis of my reporting during the kavanaugh hearings, there was a lost concern. his institutionalism is what i m getting to. he s conservative. no doubt. but a conservative institution who cares about the integrity of the court, the viability of the court and the perception of the court and its role in public life. a lot of that was on his mind when he ended up siding with the side that he was not, quote, supposed to side with according to partisans when it came to president obama s affordable care act ruling. and i think according to my reporting he s been extraordinarily concerned throughout the kavanaugh hearings of what that process was doing to the image of the court, what it would mean to have judge