the bounds of what you re allowed to do legally. do i feel it works? absolutely i feel it works. the question of torture came up in this abc news interview tonight because this morning late last night, actually, the new york times reported draft executive orders were circulating in the white house that would move toward bringing back torture and reopening secret cia black site prisons where terror suspects were tortured abroad under the previous administration. asked about those draft orders today, the white house press secretary had an unusual response. he said those are not white house documents. and the white house knows nothing about them. and we don t know what to make of that disavowel. joining us is david sanger, the chief washington correspondent for the new york times. mr. sanger, nice to have you here. thank you for coming in. great to be back with you. do you have insight iterms of this disavowel by the white