mccabe also described talks that he and rod rosenstein had after president trump fired comey, calling it a, quote, incredibly turbulent, incredibly stressful period. joining me now former fbi special agent manny gomez, former congresswoman who voted to impeach nixon, the author of the case for impeaching trump, and nbc news terrorism analyst malcolm nantz, author of the plot to destroy democracy. thanks to all three of you for being here. liz, let me start with you. mccabe says it was the president s actions that led them to investigate. this is tricky, including possibly invoking the 25th amendment because rosenstein and mccabe would have known at the time that the minute this gets out to the media, the minute it gets out in the public, it s going to feed into president trump s narrative of a deep state and, and an fbi that s crooked. so they thought about this a lot before having some of these discussions. what do you make of the fact that the fbi was acltually