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so, curriculums need rewriting, do they? yeah. and when you talk about the decolonisation of curriculums, people get upset. it implies that you re wanting to delete things out of the curriculum. but i think you can continue to teach things like the world wars and so on and just include black history and brown history. i suppose the question then is what sathnam sanghera would teach, because i look at your writings, including empireland, but yourjournalism as well, and you are very trenchant in your views now about how we need to use very specific language about, for example, the british empire. you call it a wilful, unapologetic exercise in white racial supremacy. britain was dehumanising black people on a super industrial scale. but i also say empire didn t start out as that. it didn t start out as a wilfully racist thing. it happened in the 19th century when britain suddenly found itself ruling a quarter of the planet and noticed that they were white and almost

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