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Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Media Show 20220214 01:46:00

what the us once said was an islamic state safe house, my colleagues were able to prove was actually the home of his boss at the ngo. very quickly after this reporting came out, the us military really had to backtrack on a lot of the explanations they made for carrying out the strike. amazing insight into the power ofjournalism, but also the power of this open source investigation. before i bring in alexa from the human rights centre, they are i hope our audience will find absolutely riveting. alison killing, tell us how you used your training as an architect to work out from satellite photos that the chinese government were building camps in xinjiang province. as we know, they claim they re a necessary measure against terrorism. sure. i worked with a buzzfeed reporter, megha rajagopalan, and developer christo buschek on this when we started working in 2018, it was believed that there were 1,200 camps in existence but only a handful

Transcripts for BBCNEWS The Media Show 20220213 16:43:00

been adopted by a lot of mainstream news outlets. so let me introduce you to the rest of my panel. alexa koenig is the executive director of the human rights centre at the berkeley school of law. alison killing is the winner of the 2021 a pulitzer prize in international reporting. haley willis is visual investigations reporter at the new york times. and, haley, if i can start with you. welcome to the media show. you ve been investigating civilian casualties in us air and drone strikes. of course, alljournalists are looking to get impact with their reporting but this is pretty impressive. two weeks ago, the us defence secretary issued an order to military top brass that can be summarised effectively as do more to not kill the innocent. he said the protection of civilians remains vital to the ultimate success of our operations. that was lloyd austin. explain your newspaper s role in exposing what the us military was getting tragically wrong and this change in policy. yeah, absolutely. th

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example, back in december, he held his marathon annual press conference, and any journalist who wanted to attend the event had to pass three pcr tests and, once they got to the venue, they had to go through a kind of disinfection tunnel which sprayed them with sanitiser. and when they eventually got into the hall they were a good 20 metres away from the russian president anyway. 0k, more from you, francis, in a moment. we ll bear that in mind. but going on, what s going on near the ukrainian border is also the subject of much analysis by open source investigators. these are the online sleuths, often amateur, who are trawling through social media posts and satellite imagery to track the military hardware that s on the move in the region. such investigative techniques have now been co opted by mainstream news outlets. and we re going to hear about the huge impact some of them have achieved in the last few months. we ve got some of the best in the business with us, including alison killin

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an attack has taken place. ultimately, i think what we are seeing evolve over the last five to ten years is morel coordination and communication. i m sorry, i m going to have to interrupt. we ve run out of time. thank you to all my guests, alexa koenig from the human rights center, haley willis from the new york times, benjamin strick from the centre for information resilience, pulitzer prize winning alison killing, and francis scarr from bbc monitoring. that is all we have time for. thank you so much for watching. goodbye. hello. a thoroughly wet day out there as forecast for most parts of the country and, as far as the week ahead is concerned, more rain on the way and some very strong winds, as well, particularly from mid week onwards. now, the low pressure that s bringing us the bad weather right

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especially on state tv, people have been fed this cocktail of conspiracy theories and sometimes even just outright lies every time russia is accused of doing something maligned by the west. and i personally think it would take something much greater we re talking about the photos and videos of thousands and thousands of body bags coming back from ukraine to really cause a shift in russian public opinion. francis carr in moscow, thank you very much. i promised at the start of the programme that we d look at how the digital sleuthing that ben is an expert in has now been adopted by a lot of mainstream news outlets. so let me introduce you to the rest of my panel. alexa koenig is the executive director of the human rights centre at the berkeley school of law. alison killing is the winner of the 2021 pulitzer prize in international reporting. haley willis is visual investigations reporter at the new york times. and, haley, if i can start with you. welcome to the media show. you ve been

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