paraphrasing the president. why are they calling her so early? because she doesn t have direct knowledge of phone calls with the president and the ukrainian president. you think it would be trouble for the democrats? i was worried about that. when speaker pelosi talked about bribery and brought that word up again, i went and looked at the federal bribery statute and focused on the word corrupt. in order to prove a crime under that statute, and this is not a criminal proceeding, it struck me that when you talk about corruption, in connection with bribery, you have to have intent to do an official act in exchange of something for value. this is about corruption. what they did to her was corrupt, getting her out of the way so they could engage in the types of activities they want to engage in, from a variety of different angles, the ukrainians and giuliani and his cohort. maybe this is part of telling that story, explaining the
president trump discussing the investigation of the bidens on a phone call, between president trump and ambassador gordon sondland. that happens behind closed doors. tomorrow, the first official with the budget office is expected to break ranks and speak to lawmakers, as well, in private. back with us, abby phillip and jim baker. according to jim holmes, who overheard the phone call, because he could hear president trump s voice pleading through a cell phone in kiev, the day after the phone call between the two presidents, what does it add to the story? my head almost exploded, in terms of the operational security debacle that is. the president and his ambassador having a phone call. it s possible that it was a secure cell phone. but they re talking about this. you know, it s just it s so bad, in terms of security. that was really that drove me
republicans. reporter: but republicans argument could end later today, when david holmes, a state department staffer, who overheard a phone call between trump and u.s. ambassador to the e.u., gordon sondland, appears behind closed doors. his boss, top u.s. diplomat to ukraine, bill taylor, testified his staff member, says the conversation happened one day after president trump s call with the ukrainian leader. mr. sondland told president trump the ukrainians were ready to move forward. reporter: sondland will share his side of the story in public testimony next wednesday. and house democrats have high expectations. it s never too late to do the right thing. if the ambassador has some new memory, catch up, that he ll let the american public know about this phone conversation, as well. reporter: house investigators may have another closed-door deposition hearing this weekend. that is with mark sandy, with the office of management and budget. he would shed some light on how