Im stephen sackur. For more than two decades, the anc has been south africas impregnable political structure, but now cracks are appearing. At least 30 anc mps defied the party whip and supported a No Confidence Motion against party leader and National President , jacob zuma. Cue bitter recriminations. My guest today is pravin gordhan, the man President Zuma sacked as Finance Minister in controversial circumstances earlier this year. Does the anc need to be broken up to enable south africa to thrive . Pravin gordhan, in johannesburg, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Long distance as it might be. Lets consider what is happening in your country today and particularly the fallout from the motion of No Confidence against president jacob zuma, which didnt succeed, but got 177 votes, which was significant. It clearly included a substantial number of anc mps. How toxic is the atmosphere inside the anc as a result of that vote . There certainly is an active debate and d
Im stephen sackur. For more than two decades, the anc has been south africas impregnable political structure, but now cracks are appearing. At least 30 anc mps defied the party whip and supported a No Confidence Motion against party leader and National President , jacob zuma. Cue bitter recriminations. My guest today is pravin gordhan, the man President Zuma sacked as Finance Minister in controversial circumstances earlier this year. Does the anc need to be broken up to enable south africa to thrive . Pravin gordhan, in johannesburg, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Long distance as it might be. Lets consider what is happening in your country today and particularly the fallout from the motion of No Confidence against president jacob zuma, which didnt succeed, but got 177 votes, which was significant. It clearly included a substantial number of anc mps. How toxic is the atmosphere inside the anc as a result of that vote . There certainly is an active debate and d
Im stephen sackur. For more than two decades, the anc has been south africas impregnable political structure, but now cracks are appearing. At least 30 anc mps defied the party whip and supported a No Confidence Motion against party leader and National President , jacob zuma. Cue bitter recriminations. My guest today is pravin gordhan, the man President Zuma sacked as Finance Minister in controversial circumstances earlier this year. Does the anc need to be broken up to enable south africa to thrive . Pravin gordhan, in johannesburg, welcome to hardtalk. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Long distance as it might be. Lets consider what is happening in your country today and particularly the fallout from the motion of No Confidence against president jacob zuma, which didnt succeed, but got 177 votes, which was significant. It clearly included a substantial number of anc mps. How toxic is the atmosphere inside the anc as a result of that vote . There certainly is an active debate and d
we must be seen as giving our people the service. that is the message that our people have said to us and it s a message we have received loud and clear. let s go live to our correspondent catherine byaruhanga in johannesburg. yes, anna, we are all waiting for that final result from the electoral commission and you can actually see the board behind me at the moment, 99.7% of all the polling stations in south africa have reported their results and they have been published by the electoral commission here. the expectation is that the final result is not going to change much from what we have at the moment, which is that the anc is set to win about 40% of the final results. this is a poor showing for a party that has been so dominant in south africa s history and you will remember the anc led the liberation
the downfall marked by another president, jacob zuma. he presided over a period of rampant corruption. understandably, i m very disappointed. this anc veteran says the party has not recovered since then. we have failed. we talk about renewal, the renewal of the anc, and it would take the form of making sure that elements who are really corrupt are removed from the organisation and we ve really failed to act decisively to do that. the anc is still the biggest party, but it s lost its majority. south africa now faces weeks of turbulent coalition talks. barbara plett usher, bbc news, johannesburg. let s go live to our correspondent catherine byaruhanga in johannesburg. hello, catherine. yes, as barbara