representing clients and maybe i d say dozens at this point. knowing tooc ining too much abo ambassador james jeffrey told they re doing. right. so the extent he participated the senators that dozens have in any degree with their been freed. criminal activity, that could defense secretary mark esper on potentially make rudy giuliani the other hand yesterday put that number of isis escapees at himself criminally liable. and to the extent rudy giuliani may have been acting as more than 100. based on the intelligence we have the reporting we have, of the 11,000 or so detainees that back and implicates. were prisons in northeast syria, that s what i wanted to you we ve only had reports of a expand on, which is how do you little bit more than 100 have go up the chains from rudy escaped. giuliani and prove that rudy the fds, and we remain in giuliani was directing contact with them, are maintaining guards over top of directives from the president in his communications with them?
as for pence and pompeo and others, i think they re on the road to impeachment themselves, because to your point, take the testimony of this week, take george kent s testimony yesterday. he implicated secretary of energy rick perry and chief of staff mick mulvaney in this. go back to monday, fiona hill said that this shadow group that was running ukrainian policy set off such alarm bells that john bolton said, call the attorneys. and what i will add to the reporting is, there was this shadow group performing outside typical diplomatic channels, but what they were doing was they were advancing the president s impeachable behavior, and that s where all of this testimony ultimately implicates mike pence. the timeline is this was occurring in late spring and summer when mike pence canceled his trip to attend the ukraine inauguration. it leads to the july 27th phone call, the five weeks of text messages occurring during this time and into august when pence went back to poland to meet with
against the civil in the united states, it s into trump. we heard that men were breathing a sigh of relief when epstein died, so can they be exposed at some point? yes and no, in the sense that epstein can t cooperate with the government but at the same time now that epstein is gone the attorney general said in so many words we re still looking to hold someone liable. so maybe when epstein was alive as a high profile defendant, the government was primarily interested in him. now that he s gone, the government says someone has to pay. so even those in his periphery, his circle may still be concerned and the government seized a lot of evidence from his mansion on the upper east side. who knows who that implicates? that evidence lives on even if the creator of that evidence epstein is no longer with us. all right, danny cevallos, thanks so much. good to see you. mika?
surprise me if you have gone on to make a deal with the government. there s information that implicates if there s information that implicates the president, we have a national security issue. so you know, we need some kind of heads up. this is regarding to mueller report, whether the president s lawyers reaching out to the flynn side to sort of say hey, we understand that you guys are no longer sharing information. this happens right after that. and you know, we want to know a little more. obviously, there s a great deal of concern about the implication this has for the president. jim. evan perez, thanks for walking us through it. let s discuss with elie honig, and julie hirshfield davis. elie, put on your lawyer hat. how is that not obstruction of justice? you have the president s personal counsel saying this wouldn t be a good idea for you to cooperate. it s a great question. in the real world of criminal justice, this is obstruction of justice. let s come out and say it.
up to the attorney general. that is barr to decide whether mueller testifies. and then barr saying, it s up to mueller to decide whether he testified. i think we need a little more transparency. to the central part of your question, i do think that there is concern, why? this concern certainly for trump in that he, that is mueller, implicates him. how? no collusion. no obstruction. that s the narrative that s been put forth. that s not the narrative that mueller has to talk about. his report addresses the ten specific instances wherein one might say that there was indeed obstruction. that s what he would, that is mueller had to say in the event he testified. so that s not good. and then secondly, of course, as it relates to barr himself, he s asked a question. we all know, and that is, were there any concerns expressed regarding your four-page summary? of course, we know that mueller had a lot to say as it related to the four-page summary. not accurately characterizing the full nature