leadership and many democrats as well for not they know ukrainians defend themselves if we weren t going on intervene in their behalf so this was a gift from putin. he could hope if trump were elected, the u.s. would back away from its support of ukraine and there were concerns that he would lift the sanctions unilaterally to boot. how do you view this coming up in the investigations? it will be an interesting issue for the investigators. because this is the one thing that we know that russia has got. willingly or not, out of the election of donald trump. look at the language that was changed in the platform. it was changed from giving kiev lethal defensive assistance to giving kiev he appropriate assistance. that was the big shift that we looked at in the republican, after the republican convention. and it basically said, we won t help them with the weaponry we want. anti-tank missiles, radar equipment, that kind of thing.
trump campaign. if not you, who? it did not come from the trump campaign. so nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform? no one. zero. the problem with that, i don t know, call it tv testimony sprgs it is contradicted by real protest the several other people now. and they, unlike paul manafort, have not been indicted. i m joined by the u.s. ambassador in the bush administration. he is at the atlantic county now. and back with us, katty kay. was this something that was helpful to putin and how unusual was in it your view? it was definitely helpful to putin. it was a very positive signal from the russian point of view. it changed what was a traditional public policy since the invasion of ukraine of supporting, earling the ukrainians. obama had been sharply criticized by the republican
this one year we re on the anniversary of his election was a net gain? for you? a net loss for your campaign? or it didn t make any difference? what makes a dmifs charlotte right now is that we need better paying jobs. not only do i want to be the first african-american female mayor but a jobs mayor. that s what we re focused on here. thank you vex for joining me. i want to bring back jamal to broaden this. you have run democratic campaigns on the winning and losing side. you had to mention the losing. that s real talk. i just spoke to a winner, as they say. you heard her on the trump answer. not really wanting to get into it. what do you think was key for the democrats winning last night? and anything with the mayor-elect as well. what we saw yesterday, a couple things. we saw investment from the democratic party but that might get you a point or two in turnout.
so i think he is in a really highly activated and aroused state. the top white house lawyers say mueller will ultimately be good for trump because he won t find anything that directly implicates trump. i may be the only person who says this. but i have believed since the day mueller was appointed to the job, that he will be the end of the trump presidency and he will find indictable offenses. i don t know if they will be about russia. who knows? trump may or may not be able to insulate himself. but i know that he s had a career that spanned more than four decades. and during those four decades, there s an awful lot of behaviors and choices and actions that he s taken that are potentially criminal. tony schwartz, the co-author of the art of the deal. very interesting to get your take over this. coming up, why democrats are winning on health care. and why it might help them next year. stay with us.
work. do you have a view based on what we know, whether this was an unusual policy idea within the campaign? or given the exposure on the foreign agents, that this may have been an the every by people, paul manafort and others, to essentially hijack u.s. policy? well, i m eagerly awaiting the results of the investigation. it is obviously something to really speculate lively about. whether this was just part of the, let s get along with russia attitude that we heard from trump on many occasions. there were there was direct conspireing by some people in the campaign. maybe in communication with russia. we don t know. so i think we have to wait and see. but it is ironic that trump in office has actually come one a reasonably decent policy toward ukraine. he is appoint ad special envoy. he is trying to negotiate a solution that gets the russians