What does the president want to know . Did he ask about ukraines efforts to battle corruption . Of course not. Did he ask how the war with russia was going . Not a chance. On the phone, his voice loud enough, President Trump asked sondland, is hes going to do the investigation . The answer was clear. He ensured trump that the ukrainian president was going to do it and that he would do anything you asked him to. If that wasnt telling enough, my colleagues, in a conversation that followed, an american Diplomat Dining with sondland asked if it was true that President Trump didnt give a blank about ukraine, sondland agreed, saying the president cared only about big stuff. The diplomat noted that there
was big stuff in ukraine, like a war with russia. Sondland replied that the president cared only about big stuff that benefits him personally. Like the Biden Investigation that mr. Giuliani was pushing. In that short conversation, we learned everything we need to know about the 45th president
talking about is not impeachab impeachable, then nothing is impeachable. even as this body and covered the facts of this ukraine scheme, even as we open an impeachment inquiry, even as we gathered evidence, president trump continued his efforts to seek help in the next election. while i would think come he said from the white house lawn on october 3rd, that if they are being honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the biden s. it s a very simple answer, he said. he made it clear that it is an open invitation to other countries as well. think china should start investigation into the biden s as well. president trump sent his chief of staff to the white house podium and he said to the world that of course they had linked aid to investigations. and that we should just get over it.
record are arguing are abuses of power or high crimes or impeachab impeachable, including bribery, more specific election crimes and self-dealing and self-enr h self-enrichme self-enrichment. then there is the big one, the obstruction of justice that bob mueller himself laid out, which democrats have talked about as potentially impeachable offenses. i think number one is emoluments. i think it s always been about that for me. this is a president who has equated neo-nazis with those who protest against them. i will fight every day until he is impeached. we are joined by new york times columnist who has been all over this. you know, some people follow. some people summarize. i think in your writing and your advocacy you have lead on this. thank you. it is interesting to see some of the smart d.c. predictions
impeachab impeachable. this is precisely the misconduct that the framers created a constitution including impeachment to protect against. and if there is no action, if congress concludes that they will give a pass to the president here, as professor karlan suggested earlier, every other president will say then i can do the same thing and boundaries will evaporate. and those boundaries are set up by the constitution and we may be witnessing unfortunately their erosion. and that is a danger to all of us. that was professor michael gerhardt one of the witnesses testifying today in the house judiciary committee. chris matthews, before we went to break, i said on the other side, we ll be joined by our brill naiant panel and chris matthews. and you are the most brilliant of all. so i didn t mean you know what i m saying. i love you.
you have people saying it is impeachab impeachable, and there is a portion that continues to believe things like propaganda. why don t they go with the argument zelensky. again he said there was no quid pro quo. why don t republicans use that? yeah, that is a good question, i think that they could point to his comments and say look, there was nothing that went awry here. but at the same time it is hard to take zelensky at his word on this. they re so ri lient that if he said or did anything to rock that boat, look at what troump has already done. it is such a precarious