jessica: we didn t have a vaccine at the beginning of the pandemic, if we had, we might have 400,000 less dead people. katie: may be but what about the implement issue? jessica: on one side these may dates are working. new york presbyterian which is acute hospital system here in new york, 48,000 employees put in their mandate and they only had 250 people that didn t comply. also masking in schools, the cdc just put out a new study. 18 counties, kids who had to bee at masked, half rate of infection is those who were in masking. dr. mcgarry was in the in the first hour and he said we should be shifting to a conversation down like an immunity mandate al is. we know the antibodies are even more powerful and protective than the vaccine and that s where i would like to see us going with that. they mandates are and most people are complying. private organizations can do