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wagner. ron desantis described it as a crisis at war. donald trump called it an invasion. with less than two weeks left until the iowa caucuses, today, trump and desantis published dueling op-eds in the des moines register. both cast immigration as the most pressing problem facing our country. both candidates promised that they, and they alone, can t fix it. now, what both trump and desantis are advancing in these offices, neither actually fixes to our country s border issues, nor are they actually immigration policies. but they are the sort of plans you can tell people that you have, and they are articulating them to the public. they want to let fewer brown people in. they want immigration to be the most painful process possible. they want to set new records in deportations. again, none of that really addresses any of the root causes of migration, for the actual problems with our immigration system, which are real. but it is a plan, and it s a plan around which republicans
i think that almost what all americans agree on is that they want a system that works, and what most americans agree on is that they want at system that is humane. and i think starting from a place where you have a functioning system, where you address the immigration backlogs, where you have a place for people to go to apply to get a legal pathway into the united states if they ve gone through vetting processes, i mean, that seems to be the baseline. and i agree that democrats have been too scared to put forth any ideas as to how to go about doing this. i mean, there are a lot of resources being spent on border security, and a lot of resources being set on immigration, spent on immigration. and there are people who know how to we organize them, to make that system work. it s just a matter of coming out of that defensive crouch that democrats are in currently, and actually putting forth a position, a plan. secretary castro, you talk