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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20180416:05:34:00

that s my little girl. she was my reason for living at that point. she was a bundle of energy. she always had something to say. and she was a million laughs a minute. you know, she that s my baby. we didn t get a mourning period. you know, the day we were told that she died we were told that we killed her and i remember mentioning to both of my parents, this time it should be all about sammy but it can t be. you know, it has to be about us because we re on the defensive. conrad s older brother, baron, is housed in a different protective custody unit. his is for openly gay men. i think gay people in general are a bit less aggressive than heterosexuals. baron is charged with sexually molesting conrad s daughter, sammy, and is also a suspect in the triple homicide and fire. even though news coverage has made other inmates aware of this

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20180416:05:15:00

the ochoa brothers face a complicated legal situation. they re each charged with serious crimes and considered suspects in another set of crimes. baron is charged with sexually molesting his 10-year-old niece. conrad s daughter, sammy. he has pled not guilty. conrad has been indicted on 38 counts of possession of child pornography, to which he s pled not guilty. according to authorities, none of the images confiscated from his computer were of sammy. the brothers were arrested and charged with these offenses after an even more serious crime occurred. sammy, her mother and an adult female roommate were all stabbed to death inside their home, which was then set on fire and burned to the ground. the homicide investigation when it first started, of course, we thought that they were just eliminating us as suspects. a few hours into the interview,

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20180416:05:35:00

case, he says he s felt safe in this unit. the news they like to tell all, the juicier it is the more they tell and a child molester is juicy news, you can bet it s on every tv in every pod, everybody knows who i am. the people on my pod saw that i m accused of child molesting and, no, nobody has given me any flack for it. but baron feels others are conspiring against him, including the judge, who set bail making it impossible to leave jail until their cases are resolved. you know, as innocent as we might be because this isn t prison this, is jail, most of us here have not been convicted of anything. so, we talk about innocent until proven guilty but everything about this place, county jail, is designed to break your spirit and it s designed to make you want to cop that plea bargain to hurry up and get out.

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20180416:05:16:00

it became very clear that they were looking at us as persons of interest. and that s how we were described on the news. though conrad and baron were immediately targeted as suspects, they have not been formally charged with any of the three murders nor the arson. i was devastated. i couldn t believe it. on the news they put me as suspected of three counts of capital murder, stabbing, arson and that has nothing to do with my indictment. i m not arrested on any of that but my character is being murdered on the media. a few days prior to the murder, rebecca gonzalez, conrad s former girlfriend filed a report with child protective services, stated that sammy told her that both conrad and baron were sexually abusing her. actually when i saw myself on the news and they were saying these horrible things against me, i was like, man, i can t stand that guy. wait a second, that s me. none of that is true. i ve said more than once

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20180416:05:17:00

every human life is precious. and as much as i might have hated my niece s mom, she s still a human being and has just as much right to live as i do and i don t see killing somebody as a viable solution. baron admits to disliking sammy s mother but says he was a good uncle to sammy who was caught in the middle of a custody battle between her parents. we were friends. you know, she talked to me about the things she didn t think she could talk to mom and dad about. so, i might not go so far to say i was her confidant, i was her soulmate but we were very close, very friendly. she was my little friend. during the course of their investigation, authorities say they found deleted images on baron s camera of sammy and another young girl engaged in sexual acts. he says the children might have gotten ahold of his camera and taken the pictures themselves.

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