Until we destroy putin, we will not become members of either the eu or nato. They will be afraid. That is, you think that you will win faster than we enter the e. Together we will win ours faster. We, we can do it without you. It is ours, it is our joint victory. Without you, you mean, without ukrainians . Without ukrainians. And you are a citizen of ukraine. I am a ukrainian, i am a resident of kyiv, but i am a ukrainian entrepreneur, i am a russian politician, that is, it turns out that you are a citizen of ukraine, you are fighting for power in russia, well, of course, who else, look, you , you see them, even they can, well, to be honest, gelman disappointed me the most, the most in your gathering, if we talk about the lviv gathering. Gelmans presence at this meeting, because i remember how marat gelman was one of those people who shaped politics in yanukovychs Campaign Headquarters in 2004, and he was quite active, by the way, he worked with medvedchuk then, well, here he was prese
Cooperate, and then where this opposition is, inside russia, outside russia, we are in principle realists, and to cooperate simply in order to maintain good relations, well, i think this is not our method, we we have to proceed from pragmatic some things, we need russian, russian opposition, in order for democratic elections to be held in russia, democratic elections cannot be held in the empire, the empire must be dismantled, well, this is such a program very, very much, and the population of the empire must go through a long enough the way for it to really be able to walk, participate in. Elections, the opposition must train the population, the russian opposition must train the population of russia after putin is removed from power, and the country, if it remains the same, in the same limits, as now, it will be to be, as we say, under the protectorate of the free world. For now, these are, well, forgive me farfetched plans, that i would rather talk about something more concrete than
Such a good pr was given to it by the mayor of the city of lviv, the gardener, who apparently did not know about its holding, and then it turned out that there were some journalists there, not many actually there there were microphones, if you look at the photos, i would have liked a wider coverage, perhaps, that is, it seems to me that at the moment they did not know about this forum, and then they found out about this whole thing because of such a media scandal, which, by the way, i am also in eteri asked ilya ponomery this morning. Why lviv in particular, why this forum was not held in kharkiv, why it was not held there in zaporizhzhia, in dnipro, well, it was already held in kyiv, yes, but if, it seems, if the russian oppositionists, they came to ukraine and not to lviv, where are we after all we understand, its safer there, after all, in kharkiv, well, its dangerous there, well, i dont know, in a bunker somewhere, in the subway, to feel that atmosphere, just when russian, russian
Therefore, early parliamentary elections were held in ukraine soon. Zelenskys servant of the people party entered the council, and a monomajority appeared there. Fastforward five years, a lot has changed, a fullscale war is going on, and this is how president zelensky evaluates his 5 years in office. My 5 years havent ended yet, because of the martial law, they are continuing, i cant estimate. Its activity, it seems to me that it is simply not very ethical. Since the president has changed during this time, it is clear what the challenges of war are and the whole country had business. But when zelensky says that his five years of presidency are not over. Even earlier , there were theories that it allegedly loses its legitimacy after may 20. First of all, it was talked about in russia, where similar theses have been promoted since march. There was a sharp statement by the representative of russia at the un that. Zelenskyi said that without elections, he will be illegitimate from may 21,
Services and after that we made such a difficult decision for ourselves, and this interview, i think, will cause a lot of people when it appears on the youtube channel, veliky lviv makes contradictory comments, but we let the person speak, ilya ponomaryev, a person who associates himself with the legion of freedom of russia, why was he chosen, he is ukrainianspeaking, for the project says velikiy lviv, this is a principled position, and no matter how popular a russian opposition figure is in. In the context of youtube, if he does not communicate in ukrainian, on the project in russian, in ukrainian, he only communicates in russian, then on the project velikiy lviv speaks, he does not will come, so Ilya Ponomarov was with us, it is also worth saying that he received ukrainian citizenship there in 2019, he is quite public in the mass media, he was ready to come and speak, we asked him everything we wanted, he answered it, his answers sometimes, well, thats it so, you know, like the russi