evidence for that now. so it s not the person. it s the information, and that seems to be out now. it s not the person. it s the information. that information is out now, you say. so does this person in your mind, even if the identity is kept secret, need to testify? president trump has put a bull s-eye on the back of that person by calling them a traitor, a spy, and almost calling on his vigilante constituency to take care of this troublesome person for him. so i think that every effort should be made to keep that person s identity secret for their own safety, which i think is very much at stake. i hope that she or he will not have to testify. on the other hand, having gone this far, i have a feeling they re courageous enough to do it if it s necessary. you obviously had a much different situation with the pentagon papers. you turned yourself in. you were prosecuted. it s entirely possible that this
it is not the person. it is the information. that information is out now, you say. so does this person, in your mind, even if the identity is kept secret need to testify? president trump has put a bulls eye on the back of that person by calling them a traitor, a spy and almost calling on his vigilante constituency to take care of this troublesome person for him. so i think that every effort should be made to keep that person s identity secret for their own safety, which i think is very much at stake. i hope that she or he will not have to testify. on the other hand, having gone this far, i have a feeling they re courageous enough to do it if it s necessary. you obviously had a much different situation with the pentagon papers. you turned yourself in. you were prosecuted. it s entirely possible that this whistleblower is thinking, hey, i don t want to go anything close to what you went through.
to meet their appearances? well, it s always a challenge with regard to getting trump administration officials to show up for depositions and hearings, but in this particular case, we ve already talked to other officials, including mr. volcker last week and, of course, the inspector general for the intelligence committee twice. he is a trump appointed official. that being said, let s hope that, you know, mr. sondland appears, as well as ms. ivanovic later on this week. public pressure is mounting as you mentioned before, and answers, you know, need to be had at this point. two whistle-blowers have now come forward, not to the public, of course, but at least to their lawyers. there is an effort to try to keep their identity secret,
i would to make sure that there s nothing i do to jeopardize the whistle-blower in any way. the risk of the whistle-blower is retaliation. the one that was adam schiff and why he favors keeping the whistle-blower s name secret. what is there room for secrecy there relying on the anonymouspe president of the united states. they tell all their hearings about trumps ukraine call.everyd doors, so what are they hiding? former fbi assistant director byron, you been writing about this. and why was the democrats going to such great lengths to keep this whistle-blower s name and identity secret? first of all, there been two hearing so far in this ukraine investigation. last week, both in secret. there s supposed to be one tomorrow, they re supposed to be another one later this week and they re going to be secret as well. we don t have any transcripts only thing we know about what was said is what has been leaked.
such an important number because donald trump won the office by such a limited margin. one of the things that keeps republicans in line is the sense their voters are there. steve, thank you very much. and still ahead, the extraordinary steps democrats are considering to keep the whistleblower s identity secret because they don t trust their republican colleagues. can they do that? plus, kirsten gillibrand will join me. we ll talk about impeachment and whether she s ready to make a 2020 endorsement. but first, forgotten, but not gone. russia is still meddling. a new report from the senate intel committee next. report from the senate intel committee next i was diagnosed with parkinson s. i had to retire from law enforcement. it was devastating. one of my medications is three thousand dollars per month. prescription drugs do not work if you cannot afford them.