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willing to go and assault the capitol on his behalf. that s the ideal situation for the strongmen. others put themselves at risk, and you stay in your nice white house and you watch everything on television. right. and when he was asked just the other day by one of his propaganda outlets, you know, for his reflections on january 6th, he was talking about his crowd size, which is just i can t think of anything that could be more repugnant than that. professor and larry, both excellent experts on this topic. thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate. thanks, jim. and a programming note. join fareed zakaria for a brand-new special the fight to save american democracy airs tonight at 9:00 eastern. really important viewing for everybody out there. coming up, he had to hide from the mob on january 6th, and now a house committee is considering asking mike pence to testify. will the former vice president come and voluntarily? our cross-exam segment with elie

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