of some kind and we all know there s lots of ways to learn about the weather. on the issue of icing jeff wise the weather agency said icing was the most likely of possible wish factors. does that seem probable to you i heard that and it struck me that it s probably too early to make that kind of a strong statement. why? a thunderstorm because we know so little we haven t found the black boggses or data recorders. we don t know what happened. we have some reports from the automatic equipment that was transmitting information about flight. we know something about how the flight went up and then came down. to think it was icing is premature. there s a number of things a number of ways planes can get in trouble in and around thunderstorms. ice cigarette one. there s other things as well. i don t think they have the basis. this came from the weather service over there, not from hopefully the report cigarette correct they found those flight data recorders and