Host what about the sorrow . Guest i have written 38 books and spent 16 years at the university and people remind me you have done some things. Won all kinds of awards. Done three, an hourlong documentaries for public television. I have done a few things which helped to get past the feeling of worthlessness but not really. Not really. At 81 years old, where you doing television stuff . As you know it takes 20 or 30 hours to do an hourlong documentary. My smart answer is trying to figure out how to do it an edge the real answer there is this worthlessness, a compulsion to keep doing this. Host you talk about the tractor. Are you able to drive today . Guest i still run a farm. Theyre on my tractor. It has power steering. Host what is your role at the university of wisconsin . Guest professor of agricultural education. Prior to that i was a county Extension Agent in brown county and moved to madison in 1962 to the publication editor, goes back to my newspaper work and all that stuff. And